Tuesday
Apr222014

Recovery from Cancer, a physicist's view...

April 22, 2014, Tracy, Minnesota

(A note of explanation:  I am formally trained as a physicist; obtained my PhD in (astro) physics from the University of Minnesota in 1969, then taught physics and did research in various areas from 1969 through 1998.  I then took "early" retirement and retrained in natural therapies health care. In 2004 my wife and I purchased a two story building in tiny Tracy, MN, and remodeled it as a clinic. We have now been operating it since that time. Recently, I began taking a special interest in cancer treatment, and we have accumulated a little experience in that area.... CR)  

 A correspondent sent me a message this morning, inquiring whether I could help a friend’s husband, who is dealing with lung cancer.  As someone who lost a mother, an uncle, and many friends and neighbors to this pesky condition, I have thought about it a good deal, and have come to some understanding of the condition and the circumstances under which recovery seems likely.  A few true stories may help me to explain.

 

The Story of Mr. Wright

This summary is taken from an account written by psychologist Dr. Bruno Klopfer, concerning a patient of his in the 1950’s, as it appeared in Dr. Bernie Siegel’s classic book, Love, Medicine & Miracles (1986, Harper & Row). Mr. Wright was seriously ill, in what surely seemed to be the final stages of lymphosarcoma. As it happened, the hospital where he lay was also one that had been chosen for the evaluation of Krebiozen, a new “miracle drug” for the treatment of cancer.  Mr. Wright heard of this trial, soon to begin, and he BEGGED to be included with the patients to whom it would be given.  The doctors were reluctant, for as ill as he was, with orange sized tumors littering his body, it was unlikely that he would survive long enough to give the drug a fair trial. They finally consented to give him one shot on a Friday, fully expecting him to be gone by Monday.   

 

On Monday, they found that Krebiozen had done NOTHING for ANY of the patients in the trial, EXCEPT for Mr. Wright.  In only that two day period, his tumors had shrunk like snowballs on a hot stove.  He was strolling the halls, proclaiming to his nurses and anyone else who would listen, just how WONDERFUL he was feeling.  

What was a doc to do?  They included him in the study, and ten days later, all signs of the tumors having disappeared, he was discharged and went back to flying his airplane. 

 

Within two months, reports of this first trial of Krebiozen began to appear in the newspapers. Reading of the dismal record of the new miracle drug, Mr. Wright became discouraged. A few days later, he was back in the hospital in the original tumor-laden condition. At this point, Klopfer and colleagues sought to learn more.  They told him a LIE: “We have discovered that the original shipments of Krebiozen to the various hospitals had gone bad in the bottles. These things happen with new drugs.  HOWEVER, the manufacturer has sent a fresh shipment, which will arrive in a few days...”  Mr. Wright quickly became his former self, and he awaited the new injections with passionate faith.  On that special day, the doctors arrived, and with syringes in hand injected the new, FRESH dose of Krebiozen, consisting however of FRESH WATER and nothing more!  AGAIN, tumors disappeared from his body, even more quickly than the FIRST time, and he was soon out of the hospital and resuming normal life. He remained symptom free for over two months. 

 

Then, negative reports once again appear, this time from the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, which pronounced, “Krebiozen Found Completely Ineffective in the Treatment of Cancer!”  Mr. Wright was soon readmitted to the hospital in extremis, and he died a few days later.  

 

WHAT DOES MR. WRIGHT’S STORY TELL ME?  It tells me that the patient’s attitude, faith and trust may be all important in the treatment of cancer.  It suggests to me that IF the belief and trust are strong, then it’s likely that the patient will recover.  If not, then medicine’s best may not help.  

 

The Story of Ron 

Ron was a trucker in the Vietnam War.  He was sprayed regularly by Agent Orange, but was never physically wounded. He returned to Marshall (MN) to start an auto repair shop on West College Drive in that city.  He became my favorite Toyota mechanic.

 

One summer day in early July, 1991, I stopped as usual for maintenance work, but Ron was not there. His employees said, “Ron’s in the hospital with cancer...”  That was in the days when I knew almost nothing about cancer, except for a few books I’d read.  I dropped off two of them for him, but unable to do more.  I heard nothing from him until November of that year, when I received this welcome call, “Hi, this is Ron! I bet you’ve been wondering what happened to me??”  He told me about the obstructed colon, the abdominal surgery, the discovery of a huge tumerous mass enveloping his large intestine, his spine and other organs. “The docs took out what tumor mass they could, but they couldn’t remove it all without gutting me like a fish.  So, they sewed me up again and told me to get my affairs in order, for there was only One Chance in One Hundred that I could survive this cancer. They gave me some token chemo and let me go home.”

 

I asked Ron what he had done between July and November. He said that he felt he needed to finish repairs on their homestead, so that his wife would at least have a decent place to live and raise their 4 kids.  Weak as he was after the major surgery, he began cleaning and fixing. He did NOT want to crawl into bed filthy and greasy after his day’s work, so he decided to use his basement sauna before bed each night.  Ron also had an epiphany.  Having been told that only one in one hundred survive this kind of cancer, he realized, “Hey, why can’t I be that one man?”  He also began to use visual imagery while sitting in the sauna. He visualized his cancer cells as kernels of popcorn, and his immune cells as the little “Pac Men” from the popular video game.  He visualized the Pac Men devouring the popcorn kernels, then searching his entire body for OTHER popcorn kernels not in evidence.  

 

In mid October that same year, he began thinking about Christmas, and realized that he and his family needed to know if he would be with them on that special holiday.  Ron scheduled an appointment with his oncology doc to see how much time remained. On the appointed day, the doc came in to talk with him about the results.  “Ron, I don’t know how to tell you this, but YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY CANCER IN YOUR BODY!” Ron has been cancer free now for more than 22 years. 

 

WHAT DOES RON’S STORY TEACH ME?

In 3 months of sauna and guided imagery, this man had gone from a “1 in 100” chance of survival to a “No evidence of cancer in the body”.  Negligible chemotherapy, no radiation, basically no medical care for those 3 months except for his own SELF CARE. 

Ron received virtually only the initial surgery from his medical people. His cost? Maybe $25 for the sauna electricity.  The most important factor in his recovery, as he told me later, was a STRONG WILL TO LIVE.  This seems crucial for cancer recovery.  

 

Group Therapy, with Just One Man...

In 2004 a former colleague of mine at a nearby university came to see me.  “It’s cancer”, Fred said, referring to his abdominal area.  I was newly trained in clinical hypnotherapy, so suggested we use this tool for the cancer. Fred was ready. We used a form of hypnotherapy known as “ego state” therapy, much like therapy used for family problems. When he was nicely relaxed, I invited him to take a seat at an (imaginary) conference table, in an imaginary, quiet room.  I then asked permission to invite into that room, others to sit at the table-- others whose point of view might be different from his own. Three more did. Then the first one spoke, “I represent a part of Fred which feels that HE MUST BE CURED OF HIS CANCER!  UNLESS HE IS CURED, HE WILL DIE.  THERE IS NO CHOICE!!   Now the second aspect of Fred’s personality spoke, “Wait!  If Fred is cured of his cancer, he will no longer be eligible for his Social Security pension.  Without that pension, how will he now live as he’s been accustomed to living? Who will hire him at his age?”

 

Finally, the third aspect of Fred’s personality spoke up. “Perhaps we can compromise:  Suppose the cancer does not get any worse, so that Fred can tolerate the pain.  And, suppose it does not get any better, so that he doesn’t lose his pension. Can that work?”  The other two had a few comments to make, but they soon agreed. I emerged Fred from his hypnotic state, and Fred went out the door, happy as a lark.  So far as I know, he’s still out there somewhere, tolerating his pain and living comfortably well!

 

WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM FRED’S STORY:

Just because you have cancer does NOT automatically mean that you are ready to heal from this pesky condition. Sometimes a disease is allowed in the body for other reasons. In this case it was financial. The patient may also want additional attention, to penalize a family member (who then must help to care for the patient), or because of a lack of purpose in Life, or for other reasons.  More about this when we talk about “Mitchell” later on.  

 

Sally’s Story

Sally had been a practicing nurse, then had come to work for us. Now as she came through the door, her first words were, “I have breast cancer...” She knew something about how our staff dealt with cancer, and listened while I recommended daily sauna , daily energy work (Qigong with our Qigong master Wu), guided imagery (because of Ron’s remarkable success), plus a goodly amount of a special type of vitamin C called Ultrabsorbic C (aka liposomal C), because of what I had learned from my new mentor, Sir Arnold Takemoto of BioImmune, Inc. of Scottsdale AZ. She agreed, “I will give this six weeks and then I will have exploratory surgery to see if it has worked”. 

 

Daily except Sundays for six weeks, Sally came to our clinic on 3rd Street in Tracy, MN. She used the sauna, had energy work with Master Wu, and chatted with us about her progress. Her guided imagery imagined that her cancer cells were like the little weed sprouts that come up in every Minnesota garden in the spring, well before the peas and the carrots. She imagined herself sitting in her garden, patiently plucking out those little weed plants and tossing them onto a compost pile. In the fifth week, she remarked to me that she could not find any more weeds in her garden. In the sixth week, the exploratory surgery revealed that, where there had been a sizeable tumor in one breast, there was now only a tiny vestige of the original.  Virtually all of the growth was gone. (We have learned to expect that the time it takes for a soft tumor to disappear is three to four months, about the same time as for the recycling of normal soft tissue in the body as a whole.

 

WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM SALLY’S STORY

Sally had a very positive attitude, followed all of our recommendations faithfully, used her own good judgement and had her surgery in the sixth week to see if all was really moving ahead.  An excellent patient, and her cancer therapy worked.  Estimated cost: about $5,000, primarily for the special vitamin C.  

 

Lise’s Story

Lise had had emergency surgery for a major brain tumor a year earlier, and had endured some chemo thereafter until she became sensitive to it. Knowing of our work with cancer, she and her husband came to us when there seemed no other choice. The cancer-- glioblastoma multiforme-- had a reputation as the very worst cancer, because virtually no one survived 5 years.  We worked with Lise, using a nutritionally based brain cancer protocol designed by Sir Takemoto, asked her to come 3 days per week for energy work with Master Wu. I used EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) with Lise to clean out any dusty emotional closets in her psyche, and trained her in guided imagery as well. They purchased an inexpensive sauna online so that she could do her daily sauna regimen. She followed our recommendations cheerfully, raised no objections to the rather strict “vegan” diet we asked her to follow, and in general was a model patient. Lise said later that she also used prayer before making any decisions about her treatment.  

 

Lise worked with the Mankato branch of the Mayo Clinic, which involved monthly scans to check progress.  At the end of the first month, the report indicated that, “... the tumor looks much better, and may even be a little smaller...”  At the end of the second month, the scan reported, “No evidence for a tumor anywhere in the brain!!”  At our urging, Lise chose to continue all aspects of the protocol for two more months, just to be sure. At this date, nearly a year after her treatment with us began, Lise remains cancer free, and apart from some scar tissue remaining from the initial surgery, is doing just fine.  We billed her about $16,000 for the work, some of which was donated by our clinic.

 

WHAT I’VE LEARNED FROM LISE...
A very cooperative, cheerful patient.  Lise seemed “close to God” in the best sense of those words, and “certain” that she would soon be cancer free.  We remain good friends, and her husband calls regularly for the few supplements that constitute the maintenance program that will be hers for several more years.   

 

Mitchell’s Story

Mitchell and his wife Mary came to us late last year. “Mitch” had undergone surgery for colon cancer; the cancer had now spread to his liver.  He was no longer able to take chemo or radiation, so they came to us. We were a little concerned, for he was a smoker, formerly had used alcohol to some excess, but we decided to go ahead nonetheless. We put him on the vegan diet (mostly organic vegetables, a little fruit, no dairy, no meat, no fish, NO sugar), and his wife promised to make that rather bland diet as palatable as she could.  He began energy work 3x weekly, had emotional work with me to clear out any remaining grubby “emotional closets”, used his portable sauna daily, and did some guided imagery to boost his immune system.  After he had begun, I attempted to help him with smoking, but that was unsuccessful. After about two months on the protocol during which time he seemed to do remarkably well, he took a downturn, for reasons that are not yet well understood. I was suspicious about the smoking habit, but at the time did not suspect that smoking per se may have been a SYMPTOM of what we call “Secondary Gains”.  Later, Mitch developed a blocked liver, apparently because of the presence of a large tumor in the liver, and underwent surgery to deal with it.  

 

Shortly after this surgery, I happened to see a medical paper from Cedars-Sinai Medical Center (Los Angeles), in which the psychologist, Dr. Mark Schoen, disclosed his results from working with 110 patients at the center-- patients with cancer, cardiovascular problems, autoimmune conditions and such.  He was curious about Secondary Gain, (a situation in which the patient may decide that he is NOT ready to heal, because somehow, he is benefitting from having the condition. Perhaps it’s additional attention, perhaps he’s doing it to “get back” at a family member, perhaps it’s because he’s lost his will to live. (See the description of “Fred”, earlier in this paper.)  Schoen interviewed his 110 patients in the usual way, and found, as expected, that CERTAINLY, every one of them wished to become well.  THEN, however, he put each one under hypnosis, and found that some 40% were actually NOT ready to become well!  Some of the indicators for this 40% were...

* A noncompliant patient (not willing to follow instructions)

* Reluctant to leave hospital, or insisting on returning even when medically unnecessary.

* Unwilling to give up unhealthy habits, such as poor diet, drugs, or smoking.

(From “Resistance to Health: When the Mind Interferes with the Desire to Become Well”,  Marc Schoen PhD, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, April 1993, American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis)

 

At this point, Mitch is still with us, and I’m awaiting word that he wishes to continue with us.  If we accept him back, I will want to use appropriate therapy to discover if there underlying reasons why he may be one of the 40% which Dr. Schoen discovered, did not wish to heal.  If we can resolve those underlying reasons, then Mitch may still have a chance.  

 

WHAT I HAVE LEARNED FROM MITCH

A patient who insists that s/he IS ready to become well but is not responding as expected, MAY be feeding us a story. Consciously, they may be “one” with getting well, but at depth, perhaps not. We have come to believe that a smoker who continues to smoke, an addict who will not quit drugs, a patient who will not follow a healthy diet, is probably NOT a good candidate for what we do. He or she may be simply seeking an “out” from a Life that they have not been very happy with, and therefore for us to take his money and his time would be unethical. 

 

OUR OPTIMAL PATIENT FOR CANCER RECOVERY

* Patient should REALLY want to become well, even when questioned deeply.

* Patient should be able to swallow capsules, since most of our protocol is in capsules or as powders (for liquid solutions).

* Patient should be open to solving his problem with means that he may not be familiar with, such as a different diet, use of a sauna, mental imagery and such.

* Patient MUST have a strong will to live, or be willing for us to work with him so as to bring that about.

* We prefer that patient has no other obvious health issues, other than the cancer.

* Patient must gave a good family support system-- loving children, parents, etc. who can emotionally support the patient during his recovery.

* It definitely helps to have a strong spiritual background.  

* Patient must be ambulatory, able to travel to our clinic several times weekly for consults and energy work, and ideally live within 100 miles of our Tracy clinic. 

* Patient must have financial resources sufficient for the work, typically about $5,000 per month for as many as 4 months. Family can often help with this, but if patient worries too much about the expense, that can tend to slow the recovery.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tuesday
Apr012014

Why some people don't (want to) heal...

 

Not so long ago, we were working with a cancer patient-- for this blog we'll call him "Jim".  Jim came to us as a last resort-- chemotherapy wasn't working for him, and he liked our approach, which was a combination of natural therapies (Qigong, EFT, guided imagery, sauna) plus a nutritional protocol designed by a well known cancer expert.  We had just recently come off helping a brain cancer patient (glioblastoma multiforme) achieve remission in only two months, and so were ready to work with Jim.  The first couple of months went VERY well-- blood tests were exceptional, attitude was good, Jim seemed energetic.  Then, something began to happen and his tumor suddenly began to grow.  I suspected that he had gone off his diet and begun snacking on sugary foods. Cancer loves sugar, and the presence of dietary sugar could accelerate the growth of the tumor, big time.  I checked with his wife, but Sara was adamant that he was NOT cheating on his diet as far as she was aware.  There remained Jim's smoking as a suspect.  I had used EFT with Jim to help him reduce his smoking, but there was a part of him that just did NOT want to quit smoking.  "It's the only thing I have left that helps me to relax!" he complained. 

Feeling saddened at his failure to thrive and frustrated that I did not seem to be clever enough to figure out the answer, I did what I frequently do-- I began to Google phrases which made sense to me at the time.  Already trained in hypnotherapy, I decided to search on words such as "Failure to heal cancer" and "Resistance to healing cancer".  Here's what I found, from the American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, back in 1993.  There was an article by psychologist Marc Schoen of the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, entitled, Resistance to Health: When the Mind Interferes With the Desire to Become Well. In the article, he discusses the concept of "Secondary Gain"-- it's the idea that when a patient does not heal when ordinarily s/he would, there may be psychological reasons why the person is receiving some significant benefit from NOT HEALING.  An obvious "excuse" for not healing might be that the patient is receiving additional ATTENTION from family or friends because of his health condition.  Or, perhaps he is not healing in order to "penalize" a close relative such as a father or a spouse who he felt was mean to him.  In reading the article, I was reminded of a patient with whom I'd worked about 10 years ago.  We'll call him "Fred": 

About 10 years ago, a client ("Fred") came in; he had a cancer issue (abdominal region, as I recall), and wanted my assistance for that condition.  I had recently finished my hypnotherapy training, and as he was open to that modality, we did an induction which allowed me to have more insight into "what he really wanted" in the way of healing.  I used a tool related to hypnotherapy called "parts therapy" (aka "ego state therapy"), and I found myself speaking with what came to be THREE different "parts" of his personality.  In asking the points of view of each of these three....

The FIRST speaker wanted the patient definitely CURED of the cancer, no ifs, ands, or buts!

The SECOND speaker basically said, "Hey wait a minute!  If Fred is cured of cancer, his doc will notify the Social Security people, Fred will be removed from his "SSI" pension and he'll lose that money.  Beyond that, Fred is nearly 65, and where in the world is HE going to find a job at that age which will pay him as well as his SSI payment?  I DON'T want Fred to be cured of cancer!"

The THIRD speaker said, "Maybe we can arrive at a compromise:  Suppose we agree that Fred won't get any WORSE, so he won't have any more pain, but also that he won't get any better, so he can still collect his SSI payment?  

The first two agreed with the third speaker, Fred went out the door with that understanding, and so far as I know, he's still living with the cancer-- no better, no worse!

Author Marc Schoen was saying essentially the same thing.  There can be benefits from NOT getting well. Could it possibly be that "Jim", my current patient was experiencing benefits from NOT HEALING?  Schoen mentioned that one of the indicators of such behavior might be that the patient was continuing unhealthy behaviors, such as drugs, alcohol or smoking.  Jim was continuing to smoke and refused to quit. I resolved to check that out. 

We did a hypnotic induction at the next therapy session, and when Jim was nicely relaxed into a deep state, I recalled for him our previous conversations about a patient's "Inner Physician"-- a source deep within the patient, which "speaks the truth" about his condition and his problems. Sometimes the I.P. will speak, sometimes s/he will respond even more easily with a movement of a finger or hand, (also known as an ideomotor movement).  Over the next many minutes, I had conversation with Jim's Inner Physician, and asked him whether Jim was really ready to recover from the cancer.  The clear answer was a "NO", and the I.P. went on to help me figure out just "why".  In Jim's case it was that he was getting additional attention from his kinfolks which he had never experienced before, and he LIKED THE ATTENTION. 

Now that we knew the "reason" (fallacious or not) for the failure to recover, we were able to treat that reason by helping Jim to understand how his family and friends would give him even MORE attention as he healed from the cancer and in the future.  There were more benefits to be gained from health than from his sickness or demise. 

Jim recovered very nicely, and from that point on I've made certain to check with the patient, using hypnosis, to be sure that BOTH OF US are on the same page as regards healing from the condition! 

Moral of the story?  If your loved one is diagnosed to have a serious condition, it might be a very good idea to check with an experienced hypnotherapist to see if s/he REALLY wants to recover.  If not, then the therapy s/he needs may be very different from what their doc had in mind....

Until next time,

Charles Reinert ND, PhD

 

 

 

 

 

Monday
Mar172014

Healing Cancer nutritionally & energetically. Does it work?

Yep, it does.  

We've established something of a track record for reversing cancer, using nutrition, large amounts of liposomal (noncorn) vitamin C, with the aid of coffee enemas, guided imagery, daily saunas and EFT (for emotional issues).  For us to work with a patient, s/he must be able to swallow capsules and liquids, must be ambulatory and able to drive to our clinic in SW Minnesota.  S/he will do better is there is a family support group; when you're taking large numbers of capsules, it can be a bit of a chore just keeping track of what you're supposed to take.  S/he should have some financial resources available from self, family or friends, for the cost to remission of many cancers is about the same as the cost of a recent model F150 pickup truck, or about $5,000 per month for perhaps 4 months.  And, of course, the diet is a vegan diet and a little boring.  But no nausea, no hair loss, no "almost killing the patient" in the effort of killing the cancer cells.  We've now worked with colorectal cancer, liver cancer, breast cancer, and malignant melanoma. The procedure is much the same with all forms, and the time it takes to remission tends to be about the same.  Call us if you need help.  If you live within driving distance of Tracy, MN, we may be able to help you...  (507) 629 3900.  

Monday
Mar172014

Healing of diabetic ulcers with an herbal??

If you've read my posts in the past, you know that I have gradually become convinced that this 5 part herbal called Protandim has something going for it.  Composed of green tea extract, turmeric, milk thistle extract, Bacopa extract and Ashwaghanda extract, it has given me extra energy, clearer thinking, probably  better memory, and better sleeping; perhaps other things.  If you're new, check out the Youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh36LIA72fY  , now more than 5 years old, but especially some of the later stuff, e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8f_Pw5KcW4   (the Ohio State Heart Study) and many others on Youtube these days.  I've been taking it myself for 8 months, and plan to continue doing so, as cheap health assurance against strokes and other cardio issues.  

About two weeks ago, I chanced to have a phone conversation with a gentleman from Watertown, SD, who has been diabetic (Type 1) for some 40 years.  He's now in his mid '50s, and has had problems with healing of ulcers and sores on his feet for some time.  When the circulation becomes poor, healing becomes more difficult, and he'd been monitoring an ulcer on the side of his foot for about a year.  (Typically, when the sore simply doesn't heal, it can become infected, gangrene sets in, and off comes the toe, or the foot.  That's why he watches carefully.)  Last fall, a gal who is a distributor for Protandim talked to him, and suggested that Protandim just might be able to heal that ulcer.  His initial reaction was "snake oil", for he'd had NO luck with supplements that other sellers were pushing on him.  This time, he said he would try it for 90 days, and if it didn't work, then he was not interested.  He started on one table of Protandim per day.  At the end of 30 days, no change.  In 60 days, no change.  In 90 days, his doc said, "I'm beginning to see some signs of healing on that ulcer!"  In another 60 days or so, he returned, and the ulcer had completely healed!  The doc was flabbergasted, as my friend had been, that this "impossible" feat of ulcer healing with diabetes, had actually worked.  Bottom line:  Protandim seems to pull off some wonderful healing surprises.  There are lots of distributors who can help you obtain Protandim-- it's sold by multilevel marketing, costs about $1.50 per day.  I have heard of no negative side effects for most folks, apart from the occasional "detox" reaction which feels like a minor case of influenza.  It might be worth a try....

 

Monday
Mar172014

Spring Fling Fundraiser a nice success!

We had a "good crowd" at our February 15th Wellness Workshop and Pay It Forward Fundraiser.  Speakers that I've already described, did a nice job, and all enjoyed the potluck, featuring not only grass fed beef patties from Whole Grain Milling (wgmill@wholegrainmilling.net), Doug and Lynn Hilgendorf, but also Chinese eggrolls courtesy of Sunny Vue of Tracy Food Center on Hwy 14, plus bars and hot dishes from our attendees.  BTW, the grass fed beef patties were grilled for us by Keith Hanson, chef of Bonnie & Clydes, at the south end of 3rd Street, in the big stone building.  They have excellent steaks and are nice folks to work with.  Their phone # is 212 4700 if you want to make a reservation and be sure of a seat.  My special thanks to our speakers, and to Rhonda, to Martha, to Pauline, to Sunny, to Scott (audio/visual), Master Wu and all the others who helped us so much.  Expect we'll likely have another workshop next October, so watch for the info on it!

Charles